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Hey, welcome back, listeners, to another episode of'Music Ghost Stories, the podcast where music and the unexplained collide. I'm your host, Donnie Ingram, and today, we dive into the world of artwork inspired by music. Have you ever heard a song and seen something in your mind so vividly that a melody begins to morph and it feels like a memory? What happens when music reaches us in these unique ways that we can't really explain? Well, today's guest, Emily, be does more than just listen.

Donny: 1:25

She puts in countless hours of work to translate sound into striking visual art as a way of capturing how music reaches her spirit. Yeah, but first it's time for our mystery sound segment."Listen closely. Some people may hear one thing, others may hear something completely different. What do you hear? Here's the twist. What you hear might change depending on what you're thinking. about. Try it again. I'm going to play you the same audio clip, but focus on the spontaneous group discussion to produce ideas and ways of solving problems. Okay? Now let's see what you hear. Okay. You may have been hearing this already, but I'm talking about the word brainstorm. I'm gonna throw a curve ball at you. I want you to rewind and think of the words'green needle. Green, like the color needle. All right. Rewind it. That's what you're gonna hear now. Sorry to, sorry to mess this up for you. It's crazy, right? Your brain actually decides on what you hear based on your expectations. This is an effect similar to what I talk about all the time, called the McGirk effect, where our perception of sound is influenced by external cues. a lot of it visual cues, Speaking of visuals, let's hop on this call together. We're gonna talk to Emily, and we're gonna get her perspective on how she takes music and turns it into artwork. All right, let's dive in. hey Emily, what's up?

Emily: 3:22

Hey, how you doing?

Donny: 3:23

I'm well. Welcome to the podcast.

Emily: 3:25

Thank you for having me on.

Donny: 3:27

Tell them a little bit about who you are and maybe some recent accomplishments that you have that you're proud of.

Emily: 3:33

So I am a visual artist. I'm currently living in Nashville, Tennessee, but I'm from Chicago. And all of my work is rooted in music. predominantly the imagery that music evokes when you listen to it. So I like to call my original pieces, visual representations of songs. And in addition to that, I also work as a creative director and an art director, and I collaborate with musicians and, create album covers, merchandise, tour out pretty much anything. That is music adjacent and, interacts with music. I recently put out a brand new drawing. That's my interpretation of Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven. It was one of my first YouTube posts but it's reached almost 2 million people at this point.

Donny: 4:19

I noticed, I was like, Oh my gosh, so many millions of views, but what captivated me was, the idea of, the art inspired by music. What was the moment where you became more deeply attached to music?

Emily: 4:34

I grew up in a house where music was kind of the centerpiece of everything. Neither of my parents are musicians, but they love music deeply. So, the only time music wasn't playing was when we were asleep. And I'm also an only child. In order to keep myself entertained, I contribute a lot of my imaginative worlds to that for the fact that I kind of had to go inward and create these worlds of my own and a lot of that was rooted in music. So if I listen to a song or something I'm like, okay, what can I do inside of this song if this song was real and then I would kind of exist within it and like daydream about it. Music has always been a centerpiece of my life and very foundational in my upbringing. I have a lot, to owe to it in terms of my creativity, for sure.

Donny: 5:17

Is there like a distinct memory that you have that you associate with music that you think really, impacted you maybe emotionally or just the trajectory of your path, to come growing up?

Emily: 5:28

Well, for childhood, my parents are massive Beatles fans,

Donny: 5:33

I've heard of those guys.

Emily: 5:34

Yeah, they're kind of underground, you know? So, every weekend morning, my dad would play a channel on the radio called Breakfast with the Beatles. And he would talk to me about how much The Beatles helped him through a lot of times in his life. And when he started talking about that kind of emotional connection he had to the music, is when I started thinking more deeply about it. Of course, I was young, but that's when I started really thinking like, Wow, this isn't something that, you know, you just listen to and it's fun and you dance. Which is important, but it can really be So much bigger than that. And that's when I started interpreting music more as a feeling. Something like that. You have an emotional connection to more than just the sound

Donny: 6:14

a lot of, what happened to me comes from, my dad. And it was passed down through family. Which is interesting now, because I have, a little boy of my own, and I feel like the, the tables have turned. There's a lot I've learned about my dad, just by being a father,

Emily: 6:29

oh, yeah, I can only imagine

Donny: 6:31

Yeah, it's interesting. If you had a theory as to that deeper emotion involving music, in what way do you think that actually happens

Emily: 6:43

I think that, all of us are connected to something higher, whether that is some sort of thing rooted in our brain and we haven't figured it out yet, or if it's something on a more, like, cosmic scale. There's something that unites all of us clearly with music. That transcends language people listen to songs in different languages all the time, but still have the same emotional connection to it people can listen to classical music and feel deeply deeply connected those no lyrics at all Some people will love a guitar solo in a song and not care for the lyrics or you know The instruments can speak volumes and I think all of that is like the music wouldn't exist without people But I also think the music exists separately. We are the things that pull it out from wherever it is, and then that is communicated through the way that the music is expressed, that's why it's such an emotional thing. It's because people can relate to it because it's something bigger than us and we're kind of just the vessels that it flows through and the way that it comes out is the connection

Donny: 7:44

I call it like the transmission theory. A lot of people, songwriters, especially, they have this idea that when they write a song, it's not that they invented it, but they rather discovered it,

Emily: 7:53

I see it as its own thing almost like a form of consciousness or its own being and it exists somewhere else and you pull it out from that space and then you're the one bringing it into this world, but it already Was existing somewhere else first

Donny: 8:07

A lot of people understand that, music is not really time sensitive. So when it comes to the Beatles, that was before our time. And it's like the Beatles play a big role in our lives too, just based on, you know, what's passed down to us. If people understand that when they record something, someone might be discovering it for the first time, like after we're gone, it's like a different world where time isn't the same concept as it is here I think that's really neat. Are you seeing visions as you listen to the music or are you listening to music and just creating from like a blank canvas and seeing where it goes? Just like an exploration.

Emily: 8:42

It's with the music, during the music. A big part of the reason why I do believe it's being pulled from somewhere else is because I can see, like, 90 percent of the drawing finished in my mind's eye before I start it. It blueprinting, so I take like a screenshot in my mind. That's the best way I can describe it because it's not like I see a still image that the drawing is. So for example, with stairway to heaven, it's not like I just saw that one still image. What's happening is there's an entire movie from start to finish that the song is showing in my brain. If I were going into that place where this movie is playing out, and I were to take a camera, if I took a picture, what still image would best be

Donny: 9:25

the thumbnail.

Emily: 9:26

the thumbnail, exactly, perfect, the thumbnail of that movie? Kind of like what you would put in a trailer, or what you would choose as like the image to put on a billboard for a movie. And that's what I do with the song. So the first time I listened to a song, I have most of it. And then when I'm solidifying the image, I'll go back in and like, really study the lyrics to see if there's anything else I can add into it to add more detail, but yeah, it is just like a movie practically.

Donny: 9:53

Has there been one that's hit you emotionally? Did you ever listen to something and start to draw something and maybe when it starts to take shape, it brings you to tears?

Emily: 10:01

I would say like the very first one that I ever created It was inspired by this song called age of machine by greta van fleet And that one, it was just like, I had a super deep connection to the song, but drawing it was a really crazy experience because it was the first one I ever made and it was the first time I felt like this insane, not desire, but like need to take what I was seeing and like put it down. So then when I stepped back and looked at it and I was like, how did I do that? It was a, it was one of those sort of moments and it was like the first light bulb, like, Oh, I can do this, you know?

Donny: 10:35

I learned about something through a friend called the McGurk effect and the consensus was that our visual cues are actually prioritized above our auditory cues. So we'll actually hear what we're seeing. And what's interesting is a lot of my work is done on the computer, even though I'm working with speakers. Something that I just Explored recently that works really well is I thought I can find visuals that fit the music. And I put them up on the screen, and when I have my listening moments, it hits me totally different. In a way that I understand that something could sound good. But it might not feel a certain way and the visual actually helps Translate the feeling in my opinion. It's actually more effective what you're doing is almost like the inverse of what i'm doing. I'm trying to create a sound that fits images, and then you're doing, images based off of sound to get that same vibe. You and I sit on opposite sides of whatever world that is, you and I are tapping into it from different angles. So that's actually it's really interesting.

Emily: 11:42

Out of my friend group, I'm practically the only one who's not a musician. One of my good friends, Riley, he's, uh. A guitar player and black heart gypsy. He talks about sometimes if he's like stuck, he'll put a movie on and mute it and then just start playing the guitar and see what comes to mind. And it's really interesting because it's just like this intersection in this place that exists people have different ways of getting to it, depending on like their worldview, their lived experience, the way that their brain works. But it's all leading to the same place. It's truly a fascinating topic.

Donny: 12:12

Right around where I started to build the foundation to start a podcast rick rubin,

Emily: 12:17

Oh my gosh, I love, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. I love Rick Rubin so deeply. Oh

Donny: 12:21

I know and I'm like, I need to have him on here because yeah, he would be like the, the celebrity of this theme,

Emily: 12:27

Mm hmm.

Donny: 12:28

my opinion, the, maybe

Emily: 12:29

a voice to it. Yeah, he, like, the creative act which I'm sure you've read. yeah, I just read that a couple months ago for the first time, and I've listened to his podcasts a lot. It's not like what he wrote is some crazy, profound thing, but it's the way that he broke it down into simplistic terms, and I'm like, that is exactly what we've been trying to describe, he just like, can very eloquently put to words this really kind of almost like spiritual process that can happen when you create art. Yeah, I hope you can talk to him one day. He's a huge inspiration of mine and so many other people. Yeah.

Donny: 13:01

one day, that's, my audacious goal,

Emily: 13:04

Oh, yeah. You've got it.

Donny: 13:05

yeah, is to have him on and maybe learn a little bit from him and Just compare, maybe compare notes,

Emily: 13:10

hmm. Yeah.

Donny: 13:12

So, what you said earlier is that everyone has this different way of getting there. Tapping into that realm. Do you have any methods?

Emily: 13:21

I kind of have to be like, sensory deprived. When I'm coming up with an idea for a drawing, I can't have lights on, which is kind of weird. I like to be in the dark. I'm also like not a rough draft person. I feel like rough drafts kind of can make you overthink if you're, mapping something out. So I kind of just listen to the song. Everything has to be quiet, no music, no anything, no light, I need like a moment of silence after I finish the song, and then I start just jotting things down, like, written, with words, not sketching images, and then I have to let it marinate because often times, like, I need, a day in between, listening and writing it down for it to, like, solidify in my brain, if that makes sense, and then I'll go and I'll start actually mapping it out on a piece of paper, but it's always words first for me.

Donny: 14:13

It almost reminds me of, journaling and using words to convey emotion is i'm finding that to be quite effective because it gives you a different perspective by reading your own thoughts, I had a neuroscientist on and i've started reading his book and he talks about You The part of your brain that sort of bridges the right and the left. And there's certain things that exercise that part of your brain. The same thing that what you're saying, and maybe journaling, that, that's so effective, is that writing it is one thing, and then you're crossing the bridge when you interpret emotion that way. The same thought I had with you, when you're listening to music, and then putting it down as visual art, I feel like you're crossing over between right and left a lot. A lot of creatives. The more you can exercise whatever that is, the more effective it can be. And you and I both find there's a very unique connection, between the visual cues and the auditory cues that we have in our brain. Yeah, that's super cool. Something that's new for me is meditation.

Emily: 15:16

So, I love meditation. I recently started getting into it. Like I have, I'm on like a four month streak now of meditating every day for at least 20 minutes. And it's not to sound like one of those people, but it's life changing stuff. Like you genuinely can feel a massive difference. And I already, I will say, I think I have a higher perplexity to probably want to do it and feel benefits from it, because I'm already a spiritual person. So I'm like, if this is another way to tap into this other place, then like, let's go, like, let's lock in, you know what I mean? And so I've been doing that. It's helped to kind of cut through noise and it's a faster way to get To this, domain that we're speaking of, if that makes sense. But how do you feel so far doing

Donny: 16:01

I had some pause getting into it, when I started doing it, it completely changed my perspective just the idea of, being still and present for 20 minutes actually is a very long time. I do it for 10 minutes and what fascinates me is that 10 minutes feels like an eternity when you're being very present, and just sitting down and just maybe focusing on your breath. You know because my mind tends to wander a lot then there's other times where your entire day will just fly by it's almost like you can hit the pause button and it's very strange my first experience was actually scary. I felt Like you said you're tapping into this different world if that's a way to get there. Let's go I was the same way until I got there And the only way I could describe it is like being in the upside down of stranger things Like it took me to this place where I was unfamiliar and it was just very empty Because I wasn't daydreaming. I didn't place myself anywhere and It was just so uncomfortable, at first, and then all of a sudden you start to you start to bridge these gaps and make these connections the whole idea of the visual thing while i'm doing the audio stuff That just came to me out of nowhere,

Emily: 17:16

but it wasn't actually nowhere.

Donny: 17:18

Exactly. It came from somewhere but to me it felt like it just came at random if you will you get great ideas this way I had a guest on his name was Jason Snell and he turned me on to this device right here And this is what got me into meditation, but it's called a muse headband. The company's called Muse M U S E, and they make these little headbands and it has sensors in there. I'm not, this isn't a sponsorship by the

Emily: 17:44

Ha ha ha ha ha!

Donny: 17:46

Something that got me into meditation that I was interested in is because this provides data, provides analytics, you can look and see what your brain was doing and also there's a little light on there. In between you see that little blip in between those two golds. Yeah, it gets your heartbeat. So

Emily: 18:03

that's fascinating.

Donny: 18:04

What jason did is he worked with developers and he came up with the software that would take this. Sensor data and turn it into midi and he would essentially dj with nothing but this on his heartbeat would control the tempo

Emily: 18:21

That is so interesting.

Donny: 18:22

Imagine a DJ that just goes up on stage and sits down and closes his eyes, and he even mapped it to, to do the lights and everything too, so his entire set was just whatever his brain was doing, whatever his brain state was,

Emily: 18:35

That is so sick.

Donny: 18:37

Another thing that he's done is he, puts them on people in art galleries. So they'll go through and they'll look at visual art and he interprets the brain data to see the effect that art has on our brains and our emotions,

Emily: 18:52

I'm gonna have to look this guy up. This is absolutely That's fascinating.

Donny: 18:56

it's really

Emily: 18:56

That almost puts like a little bit of a, physical data to what we're talking about,

Donny: 19:02

exactly. Yeah, I can't help but recommend this to people that aren't into meditation because. The feedback's really interesting. This is what got me is

Emily: 19:12

Is there an app with it that like,

Donny: 19:14

yes. Yeah. Because I wasn't, I'm like, if I'm meditating, I don't, how do I know if I'm doing it right? I don't know. And the

Emily: 19:20

Just check in the app mid meditation. Like, wait a minute. Yeah.

Donny: 19:26

The soundscapes that you hear actually change depending on your brain state. So if you're achieving a different brain state, you'll actually hear changes to the audio, I thought it was so interesting that Jason would actually go to art galleries and see this data. So if we go on his website, you might. See something that's more fascinating in what you're doing, based off of his research So I wanted to bring him up in this conversation

Emily: 19:49

that's really interesting.

Donny: 19:52

Have you ever experienced a coincidence involving music in some way?

Emily: 19:56

I don't think coincidences are real. So, maybe I have a different definition of coincidence, and people are like, yeah, you're describing one. I think maybe like serendipity. It's hard to describe because for so long I had absolutely no desire to create anything, at all. I'm a self taught artist, so it's not like I went to school for it. The first drawing that I made, I go back to like the feeling that I had it was like this inner feeling of excitement and like knowing like this is something that it has to happen and like Something's gonna line up with it. It has something to do with this song or whatever Agent Machine, like, I, I drew it and at the time I had like, literally 23 followers, the drummer from Greta Van Fleet saw it somehow and commented that it like, moved him. Then that just started absolutely everything because then Greta Van Fleet fans saw it they were like the first people to want my art When you make something inspired by someone else's art and then the person's who whose art inspired it says like hey Like this is really awesome. There's just a moment of like Whoa, this is so epic I could have drawn any other thing but for whatever reason randomly I was like That is the one. And somehow he saw it and it literally kickstarted everything. So I attribute a lot of it to him because he gave me so much confidence. But he also, like, attracted a whole group of people that I don't think would have otherwise seen it. So if you want to call it a coincidence or, you know, I don't know what else you could refer to it as. But there was something going on because it was like this crazy, like, I need to make this thing.

Donny: 21:25

Yeah I think that the word the word That sums up the theme is synchronicity. There's these things that are occurring and all of a sudden there's this alignment. Whatever you were feeling, whatever was happening. Kudos to you for executing and actually taking that and making something of it understanding that there was a purpose. And what's really cool is that I guess that one of the drummers share it on social media, like

Emily: 21:49

He commented on it, and then somehow people saw it because he commented on it. And then they ended up putting it in one of their TikToks, and then I ended up making a tour poster for them. So it kind of, like, turned

Donny: 21:59

Oh, you you made a tour poster for them?

Emily: 22:01

Yeah, I made a tour poster for, they had a Dreams and Gold tour, it's just like, Yeah, synchronicity. There's definitely something to that, for sure. Also, like, it made no logical sense, because I was in college, for entrepreneurship and I actually had a tech startup. So I was like, what am I doing drawing? I used an old piece of paper that I had from my freshman year of college. I was a senior at this point. I had no desk. So I drew it on my floor on like a piece of like hard cardboard so I could actually draw on something. The whole thing just didn't make any sense. But I was like, I guess we're just gonna do it. My parents always say like, where did that come from? I'm like, I genuinely do not understand. I don't know, I just, at this point I just, I can kind of feel like, okay, if I feel that sort of like draw to something, I'm like, that's what I'm gonna do. I just have learned to trust it, even if it doesn't seem to make logical sense.

Donny: 22:58

I love what you said about you not be necessarily being in this artistic world at that time and chasing whatever that was and having this this reinforcement that was like Yeah, that's what you were supposed to do

Emily: 23:12

I was far removed from it, too. I wasn't in it at all. Like, it was very seemingly out of the blue.

Donny: 23:20

that's heavy. That's really

Emily: 23:22

it's really weird. And then I was like, oh, I'm kinda I like this,

Donny: 23:26

can we talk more about Greta Van Fleet and when the drummer, commented have you ever gotten the feedback from them? Did they message you in more detail saying, how profound your artwork was to them and the effect that it had on them?

Emily: 23:40

It was very interesting and it was very spaced out. So when I first posted that thing and, his name's Daniel Wagner, he's the drummer, when he commented, I was like, what, I wasn't even expecting anyone to see it, and then it wasn't until like two years or a year and a half after that, that I got reached out to, to make the tour poster. At this point I've worked with a lot of other bands and I've made things and I have a lot more confidence in myself and my abilities. And, but that was the first ever, like. big Opportunity to like use my art and it be out in the world, especially for a group That I really respect in music that's really been pivotal in my career in my life I didn't even know that the whole like tour poster album cover merchandise side was even an option for me because of the fact that I draw with pencils. When I'm making my own originals, that's just all me, my own process, and that's awesome, but I have loved getting to be like, talking to other people, listen to their music, and together we build this thing. And that collaborative experience is something that is my favorite right now out of everything that I do. Is just cool that that door was open because I didn't even know it was a possibility.

Donny: 24:55

Is there like a story that you've received yet? That your art actually made an impact on somebody

Emily: 25:01

my favorite Ever it I got a message from This woman her name is julie, and she's amazing She bought a piece of my art and she is a teacher and she hung it in the classroom and she said that she thinks it would inspire wonder in the children and wonder is like my favorite emotion or feeling reading that was just like I just wanted to cry. I, oh I did. I was like, this is, this is what it's about, you know what I mean?

Donny: 25:29

Yeah,

Emily: 25:30

That would probably be one of like the standout moments. It was like, oh my gosh. And especially with kids too. It's like, yeah, it's really sweet.

Donny: 25:38

If your art could have one message to the entire world What would that message be?

Emily: 26:26

Hmm. That's a really good question. I think it goes back to wonder. I just want people to feel wonder. I want people to feel awe, because I think those are like the most powerful emotions in the world. Like, think about it. If someone's struggling, like, They look up at the sky. Like, your initial, instinct is to, like, look up. You're looking at the sky, you're seeing this infinite galaxy, you feel, like, awe, you feel wonder. And, those are the things that then create inspiration. Those are the things that then create hope. It's like, you get the feeling and then you get the reaction. And for me, I obviously get that from nature, like, everyone does. And when it comes to music, my favorite musicians are, like, my favorite artists, visual artists. I feel awe or wonder. That turns into inspiration, that turns into drive, and then it creates this whole tidal wave, and it's empowering. I think that's really what it comes down to. It's like, that's the driving force and empowerment. And if people are feeling something and then choosing to do something from deep within that feeling that's authentic, then they're gonna go out into the world and do that in whatever way they want to. And that's how the world becomes a better place. So, I mean, if I can just, like, have someone look at it and go, wow, I feel that I resonate with that. And then they take that feeling and they go do something with it. I don't care if it's like laying down tiles or teaching math or creating a drawing themselves. It does not matter. I think that when people are empowered and people are inspired and they're operating from that place, that's when people are at their best. And that's what people have done for me. That's how I got here. So that's my long winded answer. That's what I would want.

Donny: 28:06

This little baby, he was just asleep, just like he is now on my shoulder. And I had lullabies playing in the background and it was twinkle, twinkle little star, and for some reason it hit me different. In this music ghost story world, twinkle twinkle little star. which is so silly but the next line is How I wonder what you are

Emily: 28:29

hmm. Mm

Donny: 28:31

and that is the song

Emily: 28:34

hmm. Yep. No.

Donny: 28:38

all. The whole magic is the idea of looking up it's just imagination

Emily: 28:46

I genuinely believe wonder is the foundation of what drives the human spirit, because if you look at, science driven by not knowing that's wonder, if you look at religion, that's driven a big, like very much so in wonder and in faith. When you look at these things that are bigger than us, that our human brains are quite literally incapable of conceptualizing, it creates the feeling of wonder. The biggest driving forces in all of humanity originate from wonder. So it's very powerful, you know? I think it's the most powerful human emotion.

Donny: 29:18

Do you have any content or anything that describes your stay away to heaven piece in detail? Or

Emily: 29:24

I have things that are going to be coming out about it.

Donny: 29:27

Okay,

Emily: 29:28

I try not to get too into it because of the fact that like, I am interpreting music and this is my interpretation of it and someone else could have a completely different one and that is just as real, just as valid,

Donny: 29:44

what I see is that you have this The stairway that's ascending towards the sky, and it looks like there's all these other people trying to get there, there's a crowd almost that's on the same path, which shows me like, a yearning. And then you have these two subjects that are the centerpiece of this entire stairway who are they?

Emily: 30:08

In my intention of it, people who are ascending to whatever it is that is oneness and wholeness at the end of everything. It's kind of like the ying and the yang, the male and the female, one side of the staircase looks a little different than the other side of the staircase based on what the people are doing and the emotions that they're facing. A lot of it I wanted to root in yin and and yang two sides of the same coin. Heavy on the dark and light Um, so all those people in the drawing aren't really separate from one another. If that makes sense, they're kind of all the different parts that can go into one singular human. Uh, the people in the middle are kind of the centerpiece of like how you can choose to conquer any of those things and rise above it and get to where you want to be. From a general perspective, there's almost a hundred people in the drawing. But even though they're all like physically different people, it's all symbolically one giant. The human experience is not all great, it's not all bad. You can't have one without the other. It's really how you decide to Move through all of that stuff to get to that.

Donny: 31:21

I love that.

Emily: 31:22

So that's kind of those two people are that movement I will say one of the main lyrics that inspired the entire drawing is that there's two paths you can go by, but in the long run there's still time to change the road you're on.

Donny: 31:35

Mm.

Emily: 31:35

was the driving lyric that formed the majority of the imagery for that drawing.

Donny: 31:41

I don't know what it is about like the gray and the gold it's like black and white, but then you add just one other Element to it just changes the whole vibe in such a cool way.

Emily: 31:52

that's my favorite thing to do. It's graphite pencil, so I like the majority of it black and white, and then the color is very, it pops, it's very intentional, it also adds like a bit of surrealism to it. Because music is very surreal Almost like what you were describing in that meditation I feel like music has the same sort of like energetic almost like inebriation kind of vibe. It can give people sometimes so That I try and like put in a lot of my pieces and I like to add color

Donny: 32:18

is there anything else that this, this podcast could offer where you're like, Oh, I would have to listen to this. There's no way I can't listen to this.

Emily: 32:25

well now that you're talking about like Creativity and neuroscience. I don't know if you know who Joe Dispenza is, but he would be a really interesting guest. If you could get in contact with him, and he goes into a lot heavy on the meditation heavy on like the quantum field a lot of like actual medical data, scientific data to back up his findings. Very interesting person I think you would find him fascinating.

Donny: 32:52

This is awesome. Emily. This is this was great. There was this synchronistic moment of me just experiencing visuals when I'm trying to craft audio. And then I saw right on, Your homepage, it says artwork inspired by music, I did see if you were selling prints and I that part I did not see On your website.

Emily: 33:12

selling prints, and I have just started opening up selling the originals, which is something that I wasn't ever planning on doing, but I, I have now decided that I think it's okay, so, yeah, Stairway to Heaven is actually currently, the original is up.

Donny: 33:29

Really? Is it on there?

Emily: 33:31

Yeah, well, on the, I have like a shop page, which is my prints, and that has all the prints of the originals, and then I have an originals page, and

Donny: 33:40

Oh, I see the originals. How do you put a price on something like that?

Emily: 33:44

It's hard, because when you create something, it does feel like, very, personal, especially when you spend like ten months, Drawing something and like physically touching the paper every day. It almost feels like it's like a physical thing, you know,

Donny: 33:58

and what's cool about this is we record this episode, like we said about music, how it transcends time. What I'm realizing is there's people that are tapping into things that I've recorded like last year. they're hearing these interpretations and this insight for the first time.

Emily: 34:14

Well, that's the coolest thing about it every time I get obsessed with that or like just start going on the rabbit hole of like new Music or information or whatever like have you have you watched squid games? There's a there's a guy who's in the new season and he is actually a musician in real life And I didn't know that, and I watched the show, and then because I like, I'm obsessed with the creative process, I was watching, interviews and everything, and they're like, oh yeah, this guy was like, a musician, and I'm like, no way, and he's like this really awesome Korean rapper, T. O. P. is his name, and he like, mixes a lot of like, visual art and music in his music videos, and like, In his expression and it's so cool to see it that way It's so cool. And like this stuff is like 10 years old like the stuff that i'm listening to and watching

Donny: 35:04

Yeah.

Emily: 35:05

It is timeless music art

Donny: 35:07

Exactly. Exactly. I guess we can conclude with the idea of whatever it is in this world that we're tapping into, the value that it offers us is timeless.

Emily: 35:18

Yeah

Donny: 35:20

awesome. Thanks so much emily

Emily: 35:22

your day.

Donny: 35:22

All right, you too. I'll see you.

Emily: 35:24

See ya.

Donny: 35:25

Bye As we wrap up today's episode, I wanna leave you with this thought. What if music isn't just something that we hear? What if it's a moving force that guides our spirit? Emily sees music as more than just sound. She sees it almost like it's this portal, into a different world, and maybe, just, maybe, she's right. If you made it this far and today's episode resonated with you, please leave a review on whatever platform you're using right now to listen to this. It's the best way to keep this thing going, and it costs$0. Also, if it's there, hit that subscribe button. The journey is always better when we travel together. All right, until next time. Everyone though this episode is over. Keep listening.